I would rather tell people the truth that they can,and now it looks like will be suspended for using prohibited software on Full Tilt. I think there is a clear line, but some people are looking for ways to cross it.I do not want to see anyone's account suspended, it's sick, I'm all for the players here. With that said, I would NEVER recommend using prohibited software.
Almost anyone that visits 2+2 with any regularity would know that there are threads popping up daily about this very issue. Most people are ignoring the poker sites warnings. I never thought this was a good idea when our money is involved. The only way to make sure you are not breaking the rules,is to not find way to bend them. No software means just that, no.
Friday, December 19, 2008
Tuesday, December 09, 2008
Texas Holdem Rules
I was wondering about what the standards are when 2 (or more) players agree to check down a hand when a player in the hand is all-in. I always perceived it as a form of collusion when two players make openly make such an agreement before the action takes place. Am I correct? Or should I just let this thing go?
I'm by no means a poker rules expert, but I've always considered this to be a form of collusion. It definitely cheapens the game and is unfair to the third player that is all-in, in my opinion. I also believe it's against the official poker rules if I'm not mistaken, but don't quote me on that. I'd speak up about it, especially if I were involved in the hand.
This is correct - it is collusion WHEN there is an open agreement as you are describing. Most situations though involve more experienced players who know enough to keep their mouths shut and THEN check it down - which is perfectly legal, although always suspected.
I'm by no means a poker rules expert, but I've always considered this to be a form of collusion. It definitely cheapens the game and is unfair to the third player that is all-in, in my opinion. I also believe it's against the official poker rules if I'm not mistaken, but don't quote me on that. I'd speak up about it, especially if I were involved in the hand.
This is correct - it is collusion WHEN there is an open agreement as you are describing. Most situations though involve more experienced players who know enough to keep their mouths shut and THEN check it down - which is perfectly legal, although always suspected.
Is TI miscounting OUTS as User claims?
I noticed something curious about Tournament Indicator, where I think the poker software miscounted my outs.
Let me give you the setup.
My hole cards: 6s As
The board: 3c 8s 9s 7d (we're on the Turn, with the River yet to come)
Outs as calculated by Tournament Indicator: 21 outs
(9 spades, 3 Tens, 3 Fives, 3 Sixes, 3 Aces)
The pot: $400
I'm on the cut-off, with 3 players in front of me, with me yet to act.
Okay.
Obviously, I have a Flush draw and an Open Straight draw.
What I don't understand is why does Tournament Indicator only count THREE of the tens and THREE of the fives as outs, rather than FOUR outs for each?
There are FOUR tens and FOUR fives remaining, since none of these cards are in my hand nor are they on the board.
I know, I know. I'm always worried about bugs in the software that could affect my long term profitability.
Is the software in error or are those "outs" being discounted for some reason. If they're being discounted, why?
As always, I appreciate any insight.
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Not to worry, TI is doing its job just fine. Here's how its broken down:
-9 spades - simple enough
-3 sixes/aces - obvious again
-3 tens/fives - non-spade cards for the straight
The key here is non-spade cards. TI is not making the mistake of double counting one card twice. In this case it has already counted the ten and five of spades as two of the nine spade outs. Therefore, it does not count it again as an out to the straight.
Avoid that double counting, it makes the pot odds seem better than they are!
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Oh, yes, of course!
How could I have MISSED that?!
LOL!
Clearly an example of me forgetting not to double count outs! Very Happy
Let me give you the setup.
My hole cards: 6s As
The board: 3c 8s 9s 7d (we're on the Turn, with the River yet to come)
Outs as calculated by Tournament Indicator: 21 outs
(9 spades, 3 Tens, 3 Fives, 3 Sixes, 3 Aces)
The pot: $400
I'm on the cut-off, with 3 players in front of me, with me yet to act.
Okay.
Obviously, I have a Flush draw and an Open Straight draw.
What I don't understand is why does Tournament Indicator only count THREE of the tens and THREE of the fives as outs, rather than FOUR outs for each?
There are FOUR tens and FOUR fives remaining, since none of these cards are in my hand nor are they on the board.
I know, I know. I'm always worried about bugs in the software that could affect my long term profitability.
Is the software in error or are those "outs" being discounted for some reason. If they're being discounted, why?
As always, I appreciate any insight.
---
Not to worry, TI is doing its job just fine. Here's how its broken down:
-9 spades - simple enough
-3 sixes/aces - obvious again
-3 tens/fives - non-spade cards for the straight
The key here is non-spade cards. TI is not making the mistake of double counting one card twice. In this case it has already counted the ten and five of spades as two of the nine spade outs. Therefore, it does not count it again as an out to the straight.
Avoid that double counting, it makes the pot odds seem better than they are!
---
Oh, yes, of course!
How could I have MISSED that?!
LOL!
Clearly an example of me forgetting not to double count outs! Very Happy
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